I knowwww people will hate me for opening a topic like this
However i know that Allah pak and his prophets hazrat Ibrahim, named this religion Islam and named us muslim, non of them were called shia or sunni or anything they where all muslims.
BUT, i would like to know how you guys think about it
The biggest reason behind people calling shia kafirs is, by the way this is really disguesting too me as an shia when shias say; YA ALI ALI ALI ALIALAIALI ALI ALI all day all night. Not even Ya Muhammed or ATLEAST Ya Allah. They even use Ya ali madad as solution. When shias say that Imam Ali is the face of God and the Imams are God’s eyes. When shias say that you’re going to hell if you don’t do mutah. When some shias say that Imam Ali is the real prophet; Angel Gabriel did a mistake and mistakenly went to Prophet Muhammed (S) instead of his cousin Imam Ali.
When the religion for some shias is JUST and TOTALY ahlul bayt . When they NEVER mention Prophet Muhammed (S). When they say “La fatah illa Ali” millions of times but not “La Ilaha Il Allah” once. When they beat themself bloody on ashora for Imam Hussein , EVEN THOUGH Prophet Muhammed (S) forbade us from doing tatbir.
When, shia sheikhs do this, they say Muhammed, or just Rasollullah. Nothing more, just muhammed or rasolullah. No blessing or peace or anything upon him, but when they mention his cousin Ali. They say, Imam Amir Al Muminin salawatullahi wa salamuhu alay. I.E showing no respect to the Prophet (S) and showing tons of respect to Imam Ali .
And what about seqe???
What i just wrote right now was a list of things which many shias are doing, which is disguesting me. And I am VERY SURE that these things are a very big reason behind all the sunnis calling us kafirs. I AM NOT doing blasphemy or something, I’m just trying to indicate that this is WRONG.
And I’m very sure that Imam Hussein is NOT proud of his shias almost worshipping him and beated themself bloody for him.
( then again , i know NOT EVERYBODY does this or thinks like this.. im just talking in general , so no need for getting angry or whatever, just leave some good arguments about how u think about this ) : )
First of all you should tell me that are you going to make poeple fight you told me that your shia so
how come opened such a nonseable topic?
If you think shia’s are disgusting then you are disgusting the most
So tell me how do you know shia’s are kafir?
WHY o WHY afghans never can discuss about stuff??
no need to get angry, please read again.. maby you will understand that i never said shia’s are kafirs
I said that I know NOT EVERYBODY does this or thinks like this.. im just talking in general , so no need for getting angry or whatever, just leave some good arguments about how u think about this.
If its nonsense , then give some good arguments why you think its nonsense ;)
I say 24 hrs ya Ali ya Ali and all 12 imams that I have as an shia and no one can stop me or changing me by gossiping…..
nobody’s telling you to change doc, this is not what the topic is about
some people have this bigg walls next to there eyes, they don’t want to see whats next to them, but only see what is in front of them
This is the reason why Muslims are soo down and behind around the world because sonias says shias are kafir shias says sonias are kafir what the fuck believe on whatever you believe who cares but don’t jump on others
This topic it just nonsense no need to give my self a headach
why is this subject so sensitive
why do you guys feel attacked? why are you guys defending?
Its not the Muslims, its the people that close there eyes and ears for stuff they don’t want to see or hear.
If you can’t even have a chat with someone that has different point of view / arguments about stuff , then there can never be ‘‘peace’‘ between muslims.
One word I’m confuesed about you
Merjan khanoom u want to bring the peace aha I didn’t know that wallah Badesham
why did u say calling ya Ali is disgusting and chejoori medooni all the shias pple never say ya Allah and just say ya Ali do u know wut I’m doing in ma life ? If ur answer is no khoob how do u about those pple who never say Allah?
Man khodam shia hastam and I always say ya Allah cuz I nd help and he comes first of everything and anyone then whoever I believe and wut ever I believe to pray I do on the topic u said ur shia so tell me kind of shia u R ? Merjan khanom if u r sick go to doctor if u r bored go out but don’t judge others and don’t disrespect any religion cuz its sin….
And ur topic all the way is wrong and it’s true
If any sonni person red this topic could u pls tell me do u think shias kafir ? Be honest pls
I’m not trying to defend
whatever is written above is utterly and absolutely phony ….The messenger of Allah said whoever believes that “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah” is Muslim….shia’s believes in Allah Swt and his messenger that’s enough to prove Shia’ s are Muslims
I’m half shia and half sonni but personally I’m shia and I agree with Zabrina Jan the topic is false
Its not phony, unfortunately some are like this.
but yeah its wrong, absolutely its wrong.
Doctor, i never said ALL shia’s are like that. I was talking in general
Yes zabrina thats right, muslim is muslim but if you do something, then do it good right?
Don’t beet yourself bloody on ashora,
(I’m very sure that Imam Hussein isn’t proud of this. )
Insteat of saying Ya Ali/ Ya Hussein, say Ya Allah
( some say you can ask any person for help, because that person wil go to Allah swt and ask him, they say Ya Ali madad because he (pbuh) was a strong man. Its wrong to ask someone else for help instead of Allah swt ).
If a muslim is a muslim then why sunni’s don’t want to marry a shia, and why shia’s don’t want to marry a sunni? And if they want, the familie doesn’t allow them.
I remember that marjan16 said that her future husband has to be a sunni.
thats her opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.
but maby she could tell us why :)
shuma kuletan dewana asten,mardm da Mars chakar mezanan shuma da sare Sunni wa Shia jang darn,Alhamdulellah hamagi ma muslim astem wa yak khuda ra meparastem e gapa kulesh waste of time ast.
Timati, kasi jang nemekone
lol ey baba never mind mannnn, people her cant discuss
Merjan az khatr topic 2 qarib chand nafar shahid shuda bdn.
we all know that we are all muslims wa yak khuda ra meparastem,
khair dege, it was about how others think about it, and thats all
You know what Merjan people aren’t capable to judge let Allah SWT be the judge and decide whose a kafirr & whose not…did Allah swt give us the right to call Other Muslims ( shia’s )a kaffir? tell me in which surah of Qur’an or scholar is written?
ohhh mannn why is it that hard to understand?
If you don’t want to discuss about it, or CAN’T discuss then nobody is forcing you to leave a comment
wee cheqat jangara hasten
we’re trying to discuss but you keep accusing that we are arguing i asked you a simple question…why don’t you just answer it?
ok so, if u did notice i didn’t judge
then second, yes its not right to judge and its not writen anywhere that other moslims are kafir or anything like that.
I did open this topic because i am a shia myself and because of that i know what some shia’s do. And its not nonsense, unfortunately it is the truth. some don’t know that what they do is wrong.
for exaple myself, i also used to say Ya Ali everytime.
or when you go to the mosque with ashura, sometimes everybody had to say Ya Hussein 100 times. After i know that it was wrong, i didn’t do it anymore.
Some people here are also shia, do they agree and know that its wrong or how do they think about it.
Merjan that means you called yourself a Kaffir divooneh shodi jk hehehehe
lol nah not we, others dege
Merjan when shias poeple do azadari in muharam for imam hussain do you think is that wrong ?
Sunni or Shia we’re all Muslims…unfortunately not all Sunni’s are Muslim and not all Shia’s are muslim Alhamdulilla
end of discussion!
merjanak don’t drag me into dis argument, iduno why I said such a thing lol I dont care if ma future
husband iz sunni, shia or kaffir
allah degah murwarigak
im a sunni girl soon enshallah i will get married to a shia person there’s absolutely no problem between us or our families
Ne christina , azadari az aroosi mohemtare
Insh’allah vidagak, thats great news and welcome back ;-)
thank you sweetheart its summer again you will see me online more often
Merjan my point was the marriage between shia’s and Sunni’s isn’t big deal anymore
hmmm like zabrina jan said whoever believes there’s no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah is Muslim and it doesn’t matter to Allah whether you are Sunni or Shia what matters most to him is that we are all Muslims
ur the 1st shia saying such a thing, i mean its jst diffrnt ways to lead to god it dznt matter who u follow we respect all of our prophits ..and im shia we say ya allah and all of our prophits names its not lik all we say is ya ali all the time dats not true, and dznt matter which way we all muslim at the end of the day it all goes towards God so it shldnt matter wat we say. and woooo i heard that frm u that they r called kafir lik who on earth would say that. and plz dnt start such a convo lik its totally out of the topic.. no1 would b happy to argue or discuss it … and i agree with timati this topic is stupid to talk about.. ppl gone so far some ppl still remain at the same level..
We always say only Allah and we must know that Mohammad (s.a.w.) is his messenger.
Yes I did understand your point Vidagak, that really makes me happy to hear. You don’t stay at the same level when you talk about this Liyana, there is abseloutly nothing wrong with talking about it. But i see everybody here has the same opinion wich is good.
La il laha il Allah, Muhammad a rasool Allah, ws
gracias merjan im still abit confused why you think Shia’s are kaffir what makes you think that?
Muslim is Muslim and I’m just Muslim
She doesn’t even know wut makes her to think that from one way she says she is shia from another way says shia are kafir I just hope merjan gt her answer